Dr. Brett Silverman

From Living in a Car at Age 16 to a Top 1% Dental Practice in America

Season  1Episode  962 MinutesJanuary 10, 2024

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Get ready to be inspired! In the latest episode of Interesting Humans, host Jeff Hopeck sits down with none other than Dr. Brett Silverman, a top-notch dentist in Alpharetta, Georgia.

Dr. Silverman’s journey from adversity to achievement is nothing short of incredible. Despite facing tough times growing up, including living out of his car during his teenage years and navigating through challenging family situations, Dr. Silverman powered through and now runs a thriving dental practice.

Join us as Dr. Silverman opens up about his remarkable story, filled with twists, turns, and triumphs.

Whether you’re grappling with your own obstacles or simply seeking a dose of motivation, Dr. Silverman’s tale of resilience and triumph will leave you feeling empowered and ready to tackle whatever life throws your way.

Tune in with Jeff Hopeck now to be inspired by one of life’s true champions!


Key Takeaways from Brett:

  1. Be persistent, especially if you truly feel it in your heart.
  2. Don’t give up. Try, try, try again.
  3. Embrace the opportunities if they feel right to you.

 


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Timestamps:

00:00 – Introduction to Dr. Brett Silverman
03:05 – Early Childhood and Family Dynamics
07:39 – Finding Mentors and Support
11:15 – Estrangement and Independence
14:37 – Developing Self-Reliance
17:27 – Living Out of a Car
18:38 – Advice for Struggling Teens
20:25 – Educational Influences
22:11 – Dyslexia and Ambidexterity
25:03 – Getting into College
27:06 – Interviewing the Dental School
30:07 – Dyslexia in Dental School
32:01 – Choosing to Practice in Georgia
35:07 – Dyslexia’s Impact on Dental Practice
36:10 – Building a Dream Dental Practice
39:13 – Seeking Business Advice and Mentorship
42:01 – The Future and Impact on Patients
43:41 – Event That Shaped Dr. Silverman
46:05 – Positive Affirmations and Self-Belief
47:38 – Career Advice and Independence
48:39 – Family Life and Legacy


Show Transcript

I called up the dental school and asked to set up an appointment interview with the Dean of Admissions. And I called and their response was, we don’t require interviews. And I was like, no, no, no. You don’t understand. I want to come down and interview you to see if I want to go there or not. I showed up and.

Finally, Dr. Nickin, the Dean of Admissions, was free. Walked me into the office, sat down and said, okay, I’m a little confused. What, what can I help you with? What’s the situation? What’s going on? And my 20 minute interview ended up being an hour and a half. And, uh, essentially he said, if you finish all your requirements, you’re in.

So I left college after three years and I got into dental school.

Welcome to another episode of Interesting Humans. Today I have with me, Dr. Brett Silverman. Doc is an accomplished dentist in Alpharetta, Georgia. Owns a practice that is no doubt in the top 1 percent of America. Um, but he’s not on the show today for anything to do with dentistry. I think Dr. Silverman’s incredibly fascinating, interesting, and belongs on this show because If you look at his upbringing, he should be on the side of a road somewhere and not the owner of a very successful dental practice.

Um, he’s going to walk us through some fascinating stuff today. Just how he overcame incredible adversity. Living in a car from an early age, being told just horrific stuff as a child. And I’m going to let him get into it later. But he has so many different pivotal points in his upbringing and his school and his college.

Um, I truly believe this show is going to just be an inspiration for so many people. No matter if you have a little rock in front of you that you’re not sure how to get over or you’re staring at something that looks like Mount Everest, I believe that, um, what you hear from Dr. Silverman today is going to just truly, truly, truly be the inspiration that one would need in their life to tackle whatever it is they’re staring at.

So Dr. Silverman, Welcome to the show. Thanks for being here. Oh, my pleasure. I think this show is going to help so many people out there who have a barrier or they might feel like it’s Mount Everest in front of them. And they got to climb it and they might not know the next step. So, uh, the audience out there is probably wondering what’s intriguing about Dentist.

Okay, so Let’s unpack that a little bit, Doc. You have a practice that’s in the top 1 percent of America, and I think that’s awesome. Um,  what I’m most intrigued by and why I wanted you on Interesting Humans is your upbringing, uh, denotes the fact that you should be living somewhere on the side of the road right now.

And I think that’s what’s most intriguing, how you turned it around, the brass tacks, what you got into, how you ate an elephant one, one bite at a time to build a career. And I’m, I’m truly fascinated by it. So, um, thanks again for being here and why don’t we start off, tell us your earliest childhood remember, memory.

Uh, my earliest childhood memory is probably when I was about four years old, but before that it was a really interesting. I really had a really privileged upbringing till I was probably 13 years old. I was born in Chicago. My father was an oral surgeon and he got a fellowship in London, England. So. You know, a little infant.

I sort of, uh, tagged along, didn’t have much choice. I lived there for about a year and a half. At that point, it was Vietnam War. My dad was drafted. He did part of his service in London, England, and he was transferred to Washington, DC and, uh, Virginia area. And from that, uh, when he got out, we moved to Windsor, Canada, and I was about four years old.

And that’s my first true

memory.  Okay. So you’re about four years old. Um, probably too young to remember any words spoken to you at that point. Do you remember?

No, nothing really at that point, but uh, growing up, my parents, I always liked to refer to them as very, very selfish, meaning we had babysitters six, seven nights a week.

It was always an event. If it was one of those things where they were together out or separate out, it was, uh, almost as myself and my two sisters were secondary objects or almost toys or stuff because, uh, Hey, you’re supposed to have kids. Do you have kids? But each of them in their own way were very selfish and the kids were secondary.

Right.

Okay. Now let’s fast forward into there had to be a pivotal time. I’m going to guess it’s probably somewhere before high school that you may remember something said to you.

Oh, always, always growing up. Uh,  my father was extremely absent. I wouldn’t see him. Even when my parents were together weeks, weeks at a time, I’d go to bed.

He wasn’t home. I’d wake up. He was already gone. And my mother, uh, self stated was very much a girl’s mother. She didn’t know what to do with a boy. She didn’t even try. So, even from beginning, I was always discarded, for lack of a better reason to that. And, uh, always, always girl focused. I was just a bystander in the process.

I was just observing from the outside in with that. And at

that time, do you recall what was your, uh, what was your relationship like with your sister?

I have two sisters actually and, uh,  minimal relationship. I always described myself as a black sheep of the family. It was, I was always made to feel that way.

I was always pushed. My mother, my father being gone, my mother being a girl’s, uh, girl’s mother. It was, uh,  always looking in. So throughout the whole process, whatever my sisters want, for example, both my sister’s first job was post college. Uh, they, I think by the time they finished college, they had been to Europe about four or five times, different programs.

I started working construction at 13. If I won money, I had to go work for it. So, some of my career was, uh, construction door to door salesman. Uh, anything and everything to make money. Sure. If I want to eat, I need to do it. You need to do it. Right. My sisters each got a new car, I had to buy my car, I had to pay for gas.

So all the way through, it was a completely different environment surrounding growing

up. Okay. So one question I’m going to ask a couple different times today, and I want to get the feel for it at each different phase of your life. Let’s, let’s pause right here.  If Dr. Silverman can go back to that 20 year old, what would you?

Not even 20. Not even 20. Oh, that’s right. You’re, you’re like 13, 14, 15. I’m 13 at this point. Exactly. What, what if anything do you do different?  Know that it gets

better. You know, it’s, it’s, it’s one of those at that point, I was the black sheep of the family. My. Everybody in the family wanted ultimate control.

And one of the things I don’t do well is being told what to do. For example, when I first got married, my wife was like, okay, it’s Tuesday night. Take out the garbage. To me, those are fighting words. You don’t tell me what to do. But if you rephrase and go, Hey Brett, can you take out the garbage? I’m absolutely willing to do whatever it takes when asked compared to when told because growing up everything was always dictated of what, when, how, and why.

So when somebody can ask me to do something, I’ll be happy to do it with a smile. You tell me to do it. Those are fighting words. Those are fighting words. Absolutely. Because I grew up where not only was I told what to do, it was an absolute I had to do it. I didn’t have a choice in the matter.

Makes perfect sense.

So, alright, you’re 13 to 15, just for the audience. You, um, you would encourage yourself to know that it does get better. At that point in your life, did you have, did you know what a mentor was and did you have anybody in your life? I

had no mentors at that point, but I had good friends and good friends family.

So at, uh, Probably I had some good influence from my parents friends not really understand realizing that but at 15 I had a friend of mine go away to prep school. My parents had gotten divorced at 13 I lived with my mother. I look exactly like my father. There’s no I’m not the postman or anything like that You look at me.

Look at my dad. There’s no question So in that divorce time period  my mother would look at me see my father and get very mad So I wanted to do whatever I could do to get out of the house. So at 15 I applied to a really prestigious prep school in Detroit. Remember I lived in Canada, right? I talked a friend of mine into driving me for my exam to take to get in my interviews.

So at 15 I filled out, I found out about, filled out all applications. I had my friend who literally, Uh, got his driver’s license that morning. His parents, one rule was you are not allowed to drive to Detroit. Talked him into driving me to Detroit, an hour through Detroit to this private prep school for my exam, multiple times for interviews.

I got in, which was incredible in itself, and the only time my parents found out about it was when my dad got a call from the school saying, hi, we’re still waiting on you for night. It was crazy.  Well, I applied for financial aid. I’m 15 years old. I thought if you applied, they just gave it to you. I didn’t realize they need actually that much information.

Right. So it’s one of the top prep schools in the country. Um, looking back on it, there’s no way I ever should have been able to do it, but I did it. Sure. Uh, eventually when my parents at 15 realized if I went through all that headache and hassle and decided to do that,  They decided to spend the money for one year, they applied financially, they didn’t get it because they were pretty well off, but I was able to get out of the house for one year.

So that was a great opportunity. When I finished that one year, going back to live with my mother again, it was a situation she looked at me, got angry. I had minimal relationship with both my parents. So going from a toxic environment with my mother, seeing me, seeing my father being angry.  I approached my dad about moving in with him.

At that point, he had a girlfriend he was living with and, uh, soon to be wife who’s 20 years younger than him, nine years older than me. So at 16 years old, when I moved in with my father, I was living with a  25 year old stepmother. So, that’s a tough situation. So, when I moved in there, I was welcomed, but it was quickly addressed and adjusted.

I was allowed to sleep there. I was allowed to eat breakfast, leave for the day. I was allowed to come home and sleep. I wasn’t welcomed throughout the rest of the day. Uh, at 17, I had my, uh, first brother and at 19, the second one, and for lack of a better way to say it, they were playing house and they didn’t want a 16, 17, 18 year old kid.

interfering with that. So they had a whole nother family with that. So again, sort of discarded. Yeah. Uh, at that point my allowance was 60 a week, which, you know,  what was that? 87, 88 was a lot. It was about five bucks a meal. I was allowed to  come home and sleep, but I had to be out at breakfast and not back till time for bed.

Right. Uh, a little bit after that, it was not even welcome back. Right. So at that point I had a car, so I sort of lived in my car. Uh, I had keys to multiple friends houses, uh, had two laundry baskets in the trunk of my car. One clean, one dirty. And able to come back and forth with that.

It’s just remarkable sitting across from you.

And I’ve heard this story before, um,  with your past, but even right now as I’m sitting here to just think of how you’ve overcome that is, is remarkable. And I can’t help but to think in my own mind. Would I even have what it takes to go through what you went through? So I’m fascinated. I appreciate you, your candor, your transparency in this story.

And, and lastly, my heart breaks for you as a, as a dad.

Uh, as a parent looking at it, uh, I have three kids of my own and they’re now 1921, 23, I’ve tried to create the life I always dreamed of for them. So anything I didn’t have, I wanted, and I probably spoil them of course, but it’s one of those, I’m trying to give them the life I’ve always dreamed about.

So it, uh, difficult situation, but it’s one of those where  I sort of flip everything that part of that situation experience for good or bad has made me who I am  and the beauty of it of, uh,  Taking risk, reward, balance, and measured is, I never had a safety net.  My career advice, well actually I’ll take a step back.

In Canada we have five years of high school. Uh, my dad came to me at four years going, okay, how much longer are you going to be in the house?  I was like, wait, I have another year of high school. And he goes, uh uh, you’re done.  He goes, try and apply. So, my, I talked to my girlfriend at the time I said, hey, This is back with paper and pencils.

I said, go down to the guidance office, see if there’s any applications left,  fill them out and send them in for me. The problem was this was two and a half months past the deadline of acceptances. So this is, you know, this is May, April, May, I’m applying to college, not, uh,  October, November, December. This is right.

April, May. Uh, I had taken the SAT as a freshman, uh, on a bet with a friend of mine. And so. We submitted that and being so late, I actually, uh, did not get in anywhere. Actually, I did get in a couple places, but, uh, I was being cut off and kicked out of the house. There had enough of a, uh, 18 year old at that point.

So I contacted the school I wanted to go to, found out when orientation was. So I showed up at the last orientation. It started at 10 a. m. I showed up at 9 55 and said, hi, I’m Brett Silliman here for orientation. So they start flipping through all the computer printouts. And it’s like, we don’t have you.

Where’s all your paperwork? I go, it’s at home. I figured you guys would be organized enough to who’s showing up and who’s not. They’re like, um, well, uh, we, we, we got to get started. We’ll figure it out along the way. So here’s the dorms. Yay. Here’s the cafeteria. Here’s classrooms. Great. Wonderful. We sit down with the guidance counselor and we pick some classes and they’re trying to enter me in the computer and I’m not in the computer.

So you know, they call a supervisor over, they call another supervisor over and a third or fourth one. They’re looking at me and  hold on and clickety clickety clicks like, all right, we need a deposit. I pulled 20 bucks out of my wallet and that’s how I got into college.  It’s such an

incredible

story. But I never graduated high school.

I left high school a year early and I never graduated high school. Right.

Incredible. Right. So, all right, before we unpack the, um. Um, the story of when you applied to dental school and just how that all, how that all played out. Tell me about this. I love how Hindi calls you, uh, the big teddy bear. It, uh,

I’m a teddy bear.

As a kid, I actually used to have a very, very bad temper, explosive, explosive temper. And, uh, it’s one, at one point I remember  explosive situation as one of those, it’s not the person I want to be. Um,  the different situations going on.  Does not dictate who I am and how I have to react. Even for a point, my career advice was, Hey, you’re pretty good at it with your hands.

There’s a two semester handyman class at community college. Why don’t you go do that?  No, I’m going to college. It, uh, I always, always, I consider myself a mind for business and understanding, but when I started looking at things, knowing I didn’t have a safety net, business is huge, great upside potential, but you also have a very, very low downside potential.

You have a million people in cubicles doing business, however they want to call it, not, not doing great. So I decided when I started looking at things into medicine that you may not have the huge upside, but you definitely have a, At much greater higher average income potential and lifestyle potential compared to the huge swing So I knew I wouldn’t have the massive massive upside, but i’ll have definitely definitely comfortable since I didn’t have a backup plan Yeah, so it’s one where sort of looked at all those different things and going on the medicine side of it.

I never really  Agreed with the whole medicine residency where they’re running for 72 hours  that I always had a conflicting emotional response to that of  a patient deserves the best care possible and if I’m at my 70th hour, 72nd hour, two day, three day, wherever it is, I’m not as sharp as I want. I’m not as sharp at Point one is I am at the end and there’s going to be a deficit.

And I always had a personal conflicting issue with that.  I was always very good with my hands and that’s where I decided to go into dentistry.

Yeah. It’s awesome.  Along the way, books, learning, some people do documentaries. Any favorite type of education outside, outside of school?

We’re talking, um,  it’s really interesting.

I’m actually dyslexic. I don’t know if you knew that. So I always found language is very, very difficult.  in reading, but  I knew knowledge gave you power. So I always, always strive to read.  That gave me opportunity for learning, even with my struggles.  It gave me the opportunity to learn and understand and process, and I always felt the greater knowledge I had, the greater potential for success I had, even without the support.

Makes  so much sense. Okay. So,  what, before we get into the dental part, another question, what, what has living, um, Out of a car. What, what has that  taught you even up till today? That

actually is,  it’s tough and looking back and it was always tough also, um,  homeless, knowing you don’t have a place to go. Like I said, I had kids to friends houses and I had used them.

I had some incredible, great, great friends, parents, and even some I’m still in touch with today. And even. Talking to him 20, 30 years later, having discussions like, you know, we always knew you had it bad, but we never knew how bad you really had it. So having these friends, parents there  allowed me, the surrogate parent allowed me the opportunity of normalcy.

I had some of my friend’s parents where, uh, I never had money and it’s one where, Hey, all the kids were going out. Uh, my friend, Matt and his parents would say, Oh, Matt, here’s some money for Brett. Take care of Brett. So it’s one of those where sitting on the side there watching, I was always included and always had kindness and love from my friend’s parents, which was incredible and helped guide me, make me who I am.

Right.  So if there’s a teenager out there listening, who’s in a similar  situation, whether they have it so, so, so bad at home or the, the next phase has already kicked in, so to speak, where they’re,  they’re pushed out of their home.  Any, any advice you’d give?

It’s going to sound sort of corny, but, uh,  believe in yourself.

It’s, uh, one of the best things that ever happened to me when I accepted me and decided that I can do it and I did not need anybody else’s permission.  Like I said, in my family, I became that black sheep for the simple reason I did what I wanted. I no longer sought. permission,  no longer sought acceptance.

And I did what I thought was right for me at that point. And I got a great story about that when we talk about dental school, just to give that example. But it became, it is our right not to have my parents permission and love in that I needed to do what I need to do to survive for myself and my life in that I was not going to get the acceptance.

I was not going to get the approval and I had to be okay with that. Yeah.  Grossly, I mean. Look, everybody wants to love, everybody wants acceptance, everybody wants to pat on the back. I knew I wasn’t getting that and accepting that whatever I needed to do to get to where I needed to do to survive, I was going to do because I wasn’t going to do otherwise.

It became a question of there was no fallback, no second choice. I was going to do what I had to do to survive. My only method, direct method for that was through education.

Okay.  Was it, would you say it was innate that you felt  that you had that ideology or did you read that or were you in some kind of training, coaching, rehab?

I don’t know, any of those. Okay.

Um.  I’m lucky enough, I think, to be fairly smart with that. I have my areas where I excel in, I have areas where I stumble. I’m dyslexic. My language skills, honestly, are very, very difficult. When I was in, uh, grade school, they were starting a pilot program called the Gifted Program at the high school.

And you had to be in all four core classes of math, science, language, and, uh, English.  My math and my science were  very, very high. Very high, yeah. My language, my  French and, uh, English was poor. Dyslexic. So I did not make the program. I actually petitioned the Board of Education. I went down to one of the Board of Education meetings.

I’m young, stupid, and I knew what I wanted to do. Is, I went to the Board of Education and petitioned for myself to do that for them to actually change the program to allow me into the math and science and take regular honor classes for language. And one of the questions was like, well, why, how, and everything like that.

I guess you can call it arrogance of it or confidence in myself. I looked at him and said, you’re concerned about my spelling and my language, my grammar, whatever I do in life, I’ve already decided I will have administrative assistant or secretary to type those letters for me and I will make sure that they can do it.

I will have somebody to compensate for my deficits. Yeah. And after that,  remember I’m in eighth grade applying for ninth grade, right? I don’t even think my parents didn’t even know I did this. that, uh, they, they came back and they approved a waiver for me to be in half the program. So I was in there for math and science.

My language, I was taking the regular on level classes.

Yeah. It’s, and, and fast forward to today. What do you have? You have, now you have multiple assistants, right? Oh, absolutely.

They were really taken aback and stunned that I’d even  had that understanding. Look, I understand where my weaknesses are, but my strengths are strong enough to help me compensate with those weaknesses.

And I can have people help me with that. That’s what dictionaries for that. At that time was somebody else. Now it’s a computer does all that for us. But it was one of those where they’re completely stunned and ended up, uh,  Approving a waiver for the brand new program to allow me in

it. Right. Okay. So I’m going to pause again, um, at just at this point in your life here.

So you’re in, you’re in college. We just talked about a specific tip that you would have for teens that are either going through this, might be living in the car, might be one day away from living in the car, might have tremendous trouble at home and they’re just hearing negative talk day in and day out.

You say something powerful.  Believe in yourself. Absolutely. Believe in yourself.  Unpack that for us just a little

bit. Um, it’s interesting. It’s one of those, this is a podcast. I’m overweight. Uh, I used to be about a hundred pounds heavier than I am. Even in high school, I remember 13 years old being a 44, 46 waist at 13.

So I was always a big kid. Um, I always had issues with it. My mother always used to tease me, for example, about instead of going to buy a new pair of pants, let’s go to Opa, the tent maker and get you some more clothes. So even at a young, young age, there was always insult there’s always insult there. So it’s one where  not liking it, I was not, no one does that, but learning to say, Hey, what they say is going to hurt.

They’re, they’re my parents, my friends, whatever, my friends, but my parents and family members,  but that doesn’t define who I am. I get to choose. So me deciding that those outside influences, as much as they hurt, I’m on one to accept it. Yeah. That I can live a life as a victim or I can live a life of strength.

And I chose, I wasn’t going to be a victim, you know, at that point,  I could see other people having success.  I can see other people not. And the area. lived in, we had great financial success,  poor financial success. So I had friends with the wide spectrum and it’s a whole lot easier living with you have a whole lot of money.

So it’s one of those where I decided that, uh,  whatever I choose to do, I was going to have to put myself on a road to success. There was nobody else was doing it for me. No one was there. No one was really in the corner helping me do it that I had to do what I had to do to put myself in a position to take care of myself as an adult.

Sure.

Now let’s, let’s move into college. What, what was your experience there? What kind of student, what were you involved in, extracurricular,

all that stuff? Uh, college was unique. I, again, I got in, I actually, uh. Where’d you go actually? I actually went to Eastern Michigan University. I actually had my, uh, rejection letter on the wall in my dorm room.

And, uh,  my, uh, when I lived in fraternity house, I, uh, joined a fraternity. Uh, so I participated in that. Actually in college, I was a physics major and I taught seven classes while I was there as an undergrad. And I left, uh, College after three years early to get early acceptance to dental school. Okay,

now let’s, let’s dive into there.

You have some stories from your application. Yep,

yep. It’s one of those, the cause for the early leaving of, uh, college is I was getting some help. And, uh, the way I was raised, everything is a pie with limited resources. And if it was limited time, limited energy, limited love, limited money, it’s If I got more, someone got less.

So anytime it became a participation of something I was involved with, it was always a great competition. So mid junior year, even though I was getting a little bit of help from my father, none from my mother, it was, you’re done. I’m done. I have other things to spend. My two brothers were getting a little older.

They were, my father and my stepmother were really enjoying their lifestyle of traveling and, uh, became an issue. I was a drain and I was cut off with that. So after three years, I, a  little forward, I guess you could say, I called up the dental school and asked to set up an appointment interview with the Dean of Admissions.

And when I called and their response was, We don’t require interviews. And I was like, no, no, no, you don’t understand. And they’re like, what don’t I understand? I said, I want to come down and interview you to see if I want to go there or not.

Who does this? If you’re out there and you ever did this, please leave us a comment.

I want to hear it because this is the most unique story.  You call the dental school. Call the dental school. To interview them. Oh

my goodness. To decide if I wanted to go there or not. So finally after about a half hour conversation with the, uh, administrative assistant at the time, she gave me 20 minutes with the Dean of Admissions, Dr.

Nickin. So I showed up in, you know, I’d like to say a sort of a typical college bum t shirts and uh, shorts. I did go and buy a pair of, uh,  dress pants, which I never really got hemmed. I didn’t quite think that far ahead. So I ended up hemming them with, uh, self rolling little duct tape around the. Edges and, uh, the jacket, which didn’t quite fit well off the rack sort of thing.

So I sort of showed up semi dressed appropriately, not quite fitting right or hemmed any which way I couldn’t find the elevator to get up to the fourth floor. So I ran up the four flights of stairs and my legs are pretty hairy. So all that duct tape holding my pant hem up together got stuck on my leg.

So before I went in for, uh, I’m in the hallway outside of missions, I’m unhooking my leg hair from the, uh,  So it was pretty, pretty funny. Then I ended up, uh, having to wait a few minutes and, uh, finally, Dr. Nickin, the Dean of Admissions was free. Walked me into the office. We sat down in my 20 minute.

interview ended up being an hour and a half. And, uh, essentially he said, if you finish all your requirements, you’re in.  So it worked out well. So I left, uh, college after three years and went to dental school.

Three years of college dental school. Okay. Get me inside the door of that appointment. So the Dean comes out.

Okay, Brett, come on in. Come on

in. What happens? What can I help you with? He had to be puzzled to no end. He had the most puzzled look on his face. He, uh, Sat down and said, okay, I’m a little confused. What, what can I help you with? What’s the situation? What’s going on? He completely floored, didn’t do that. I said, Oh, you know, I really want to become a dentist.

Uh, school doesn’t really have a dental advisor and I want to come down and talk to you about your program. And maybe if I decide to come here, he was obviously real surprised about that because obviously they don’t do interviews. And when they do, it’s one where they’re trying to interview the candidate.

But, uh, we ended up having a great conversation. We really hit it off. And, uh, after the hour and a half, it was when you complete your requirements,  it was, uh, you’re in, I had already taken my, uh, dental aptitude test. Cause I knew I was leaning that way. I’d taken them before I’d taken. and either organic and prerequisites.

I’m pretty good at, uh, the standardized tests. Yeah. So I had a pretty good score with that as a freshman, early sophomore. And it was, uh,  I got into dental school. That’s awesome. Never graduated college. The funny thing was, uh, after I graduated, I tried to apply back to my university for a  certificate.

Degree, right? A degree. Sure. And we went, uh, two and a half years back and forth in the giant Catch 22.  The problem was, the schools in the 70s used to have a program, so they had an appropriate program to grant a general science degree when someone goes off to professional school. Since the professional schools no longer offered that program, they no longer offer that program.

So two and a half years trying to have them reinstate that program to show, yes, I left, I graduate early acceptance,  allow me, grant me the, uh, Diploma. Their response was they no longer have that program, so they don’t have their program, so they can’t grant the diploma when I showed them that they had that program.

So we went around for about two and a half years, and I finally told them, I said, I’m working. I’m a graduate. I’m a doctor. I have my diploma from dental school. I am a dentist. I am a doctor. I am applying to you to try and coordinate all these additional classes for a general science degree to have a diploma from your You know, your school.

Yeah. And after two and a half years, I came back, said, you know, I really don’t need it. I’ve been trying for two and a half years. You’ve given me every roadblock. So essentially I’m a college dropout. I never graduated college.

That’s unbelievable. Anything till today? Did you ever hear from

them? Oh, I do.

Every six months, I get a call from him asking for more money and I tell him, I said, why are you calling me? I never graduated from your school. Well, did your child? He said, no.  So it’s  Every six months, they’re calling me asking me for money. I tell him I never graduated. You never gave me a diploma. That’s unbelievable.

So we circled around for two and a half years and I finally gave up and said it’s not necessary. It was just nice to put some on the wall. Yeah, right. You walk through, there is no diploma on the wall from college. I’m a college dropout.

That’s, that’s incredible. All right. How did, how did the dyslexia play into, uh, dental school?

It actually, it, uh,  I guess you can say it really helped in some aspects and really hurt in other aspects. Uh, my version of dyslexia for me is I don’t read by letters. I read by shapes of words and it’s a unique, uh, different, there’s some kid games where they do shapes and they’ll give you the shapes of the words up above and you try and fill in.

Fill in the blanks. I read, okay, is it a short letter, tall letter, does the letter go down, the size of it? So I can read a whole book and let’s say the main character’s name is Jeff. I don’t know the main character’s name is Jeff. I just know they’re the main character in the book. So the way I read is shapes of words.

So the problem with that is all the words are almost the same. Right. Same beginning, same end, different middles. I cannot see those differences.  We had example in oral surgery was all the medications for cardiac drugs. We have over 500 cardiac drugs. We had to memorize, not just memorize that, but the categories.

And it was 20 percent of our grade for that test. And it’s one of those. I knew that that volume, what it was, that even though I knew these things, I would not see the difference. So I spent majority of my time and energy on that other 80%. I got cold, didn’t mean I ignored it. I reviewed and did everything, but I ended up with like an 85 on that exam where I got 100 percent on everything else and then I had the difficulty in that area.

But when I got to dental school, I didn’t know how to study. I was smart enough, lucky enough to be able to take standardized tests, tests or, uh, quizzes or, you know, the standard multiple guest tests. I was able to answer those. That, uh,  first year, first semester dental school, I almost flunked out. It was one of those was a matter of volume that I had not ever learned how to study.

So my girlfriend at the time, now my wife, was wonderful and, uh,  would quiz me and test me on these things. So my first semester dental school, I had a 71.  Wow. 70 was a pass. Less than the 70, you’re in trouble. That’s it. Yeah. You know, academic probation or out. So I had a 71 first semester by 10, by the time I ended freshman year, I 4 pointed the rest of dental school.

I had caught up. I learned how to study and was able to do well, even with the deficits with that.  So the dyslexia was very difficult with all those language and the words. If you look at these giant medical words, they all look the same. They’re all really close and they’re all jumbo. I had great difficulty, but the huge plus for me being dyslexic, I’m also ambidextrous is I don’t have a standard direction.

So when I’m working in dentistry, I actually started dental school with left hand and switched to right hand. But, uh, up, down, left, right, doesn’t matter to me. It’s just the direction we’re going. So one of my college classes, I was bored. So I took, uh, notes left handed backwards through the semester. And I had somebody come in and say, Oh, I missed last class.

Can I borrow your notes? Sure. So the girl sat down, looking at my notes and looking at him, looking at me, comes back and goes, I can’t read this.  I said, do you have a compact or something, a mirror? And she’s like, yeah. And I said, Oh, just read it in the mirror.  But it’s just one of those just I was bored in class just some talk about my mind.

Keep me busy  I did everything left handed

backwards. So how okay. How did this Lexia then? How did that you said it helped you a little bit in school

in dental school?  College not so much the academics of pure science not so much Uh, some of the programs with organic and three dimensional imaging, I’m very good at that in my head.

I can comprehend that. But in dental school, we’re looking at all three dimensions. So we’re looking at straight, we’re looking at in the mirror. So a lot of people had great difficulty in motor movements, looking in a mirror, because you’re going backwards from what you’re actually used to doing. For me, I didn’t have a home direction, so it didn’t matter if I’m going left, right, forward, backwards, in and out.

Once I learned  what to do, how to do it, it was pretty easy for me. Yeah.  So one of the biggest complications in dental school to learn and master that skill, I was able to do that innately by my learning disability.

So you graduate dental school, then what?

Uh, graduate dental school. My wife and I actually looked around the country where we want to live.

Uh, try and be systematic in my process and thought process. So we actually sat down and made a list of 37 different items we wanted in a area. Example, we wanted water. We’re in Atlanta, we didn’t quite get water, but we wanted a hub airport. We have uh, Hartsfield. We uh, Came from Detroit and I grew up in the 80s in Detroit with auto being very bad.

We want a broad economic base. So every time we look somewhere, we would pull out our list of 37 different items we want in the city and see how it measured up. We looked at, uh, Southern California. I had some offers in Southern California. I realized I missed green. I never thought about, never considered it.

We were out there a couple of days interviewing different practices and decided I can’t move here. We looked at South Florida, nice and green, except I didn’t quite want my kids growing up with grandma and grandpa next door as their best friends. Uh, we kept looking at Atlanta and we kept, uh,  looking elsewhere.

And we came back to Atlanta and that’s how we chose, uh, I was recruited down from, uh,  from Detroit area, University of Detroit. I was recruited and brought down. I did an externship down here visiting, uh, about 15 different offices. By the time I left those two weeks, I had four different offers. I actually took the offer with the least pay by almost 50%, but my philosophies matched the best and, uh,  allowed me to practice providing high quality work.

So my. Philosophy is always my relationship with the patient to provide care,  to take care of them. And a lot of them were very insurance driven, high volume where it’s all about numbers instead of people. So the practice I joined was on that way, showing me that it was possible. And then when I joined that practice and broke out on my own, the other doctor retired, I broke out on my own.

We move locations and, uh, my wife and I decided to build the practice of our dream. So at that point we set, uh, items and protocols and what really defined what we wanted, where we wanted to go. And essentially it really boils down to a place that I wanted to go where I felt comfortable for my care. So this is one of those where  provide high quality work, high quality touch.

really be involved with that person and the decisions to provide utmost care  to be there for them, to allow it, to have that personal touch. And, uh, when I moved locations, uh, we started the practice. We built the practice. I did not take a salary for two years. Everything we made, I reinvested to build what we want to build.

And we’ve actually, uh,  in the less than a decade, we’ve grown five times from when I moved locations. We moved 15 miles in two separate stops and moved to temporary location and permanent location. And within that, between, uh, our marketing with Jeff and Killer Shark, we’ve just exploded. It’s one where their philosophy, able to grow and do, take what we want to do.

They’re parallel in their industry of how we do it. And we’ve paired up, uh, thought the pair was fabulous. where we’re able to grow together and really get to our dream practice. So having, you know, great people, great support around you, no matter where you are in life  really builds. And one of the, uh,  it’s interesting you asked early, early on about a book.

When I first graduated, I read a book by Harvey Mackey, how to swim with sharks without being eaten. And I’m going to paraphrase it because I know I’m going to get the quote wrong, but talks about find some old gray foxes is what I’ve really boiled it down to. Find some people who’ve been around the industry, know what they’re talking about, have seen the ups and downs and have them help guide you to follow your dreams.

So when I read that and I try and reread that book every couple of years just to re, Amplify it, resettle it with me. But it’s one of those that made a huge mark on me and my life and my dreams.  You can have somebody there to help advise you, help guide you. You don’t have to go alone. So I’ve  throughout life, I’ve always tried to find these people inside dentistry, outside dentistry.

I remember I had a patient, he was a high, high, high up exec and his job was going to different divisions in six months, turn it around or shut it down.  So when I bought the practice, I said, Hey, can I take you out to dinner? Sure, no problem. So I have some questions on business and I’d ask these questions completely different business and one time I asked him I go, how do you decide what do you do?

And he goes, it’s real simple. Are we making money with what we’re doing? Yes or no. Are we making money?  to keep us in business till we’re able to make money with what we’re doing. And that’s really what it boils down to. So we sat down and, or rephrase, I sat down and looked as, is this something I enjoy to do?

Is this something I want to spend time with? Is it one with, is it profitable for me to do? And if it’s not profitable, is it profitable enough to maintain and keep us in business to do the stuff I want to do? Sure. So.  Bringing these people in, bringing these advisors, these guides, reading a book or these people or finding somebody who has that knowledge to bring in will set you years ahead.

Why reinvent the wheel, just modify from what they’ve done. So these incredible mentors, you first start off asking about mentors as a young kid, I didn’t have it. But when I started, when I got into dentistry. I sought out these people, and some of them are consultants, some of them are reading these great, uh, business, some of them are lecturers, some of them are friends, some of these people I’ve met, some of them are patients.

Allowed me to learn and guide me, you know, probably from their side, not even realizing it, how to help guide me to define what I want, number one, and number two, going forward.

What does the future look like for your practice?

You know, I’ve come to the point that, uh, there is no limit on the future. It’s, uh, whatever you decide you can go do.

I’ve, uh, well exceeded any of my dreams. We are well past the average dental practice. We are doing great things with great people in providing, uh, life changing environments for people. We have people coming in who aren’t smiling. People come in as we’re talking to them are crying. How we’ve changed your life, you know, with the hugs in it’s You know, money’s nice, you got to pay the bills, but, uh,  it sounds interesting, but you’re a healer.

Being able to heal somebody, change their lives, touch their life, to me is incredible. The thing is, it’s not just dentistry. Sometimes being a kind, compassionate person, sometimes just that hug at that right point, you never know the difference it makes in somebody’s life. Because I’ve had people in my life who’ve been there without even realizing it and taking that second and listening.

Being there for the good times, the weddings, being there for the bad times, for the funerals, being there with a shoulder to listen.  Having a person there,  you being that person or needing that person, is incredible. Because every one of us throughout life, there’s gonna be a point where we can’t do it alone.

Yeah. And you never know when you’re gonna be that person. Yeah. So to me, kindness and compassion is number one.

Yeah. So if there was an event, one event, that you could point to in your life that really, really truly shaped  who you are today.  What would that be?

That, uh, I don’t know. It’d have to be some of those milestones where people said, okay, that, uh,  Confirmed that I was enough.

If it’s getting into college when I got denied or if it’s getting into dental school when, uh,  I shouldn’t have gone year early, right. They, the, the program didn’t exist. I did not accept people early at that point. They had a huge, now they may, but at that point it was, it was a no.  But, uh, going back to.

Asking about parents influence and fighting through it. When I got into dental school, I went to both my parents and going, here is my situation. I got into dental school. I am going to dental school. I’m applying for financial aid, whatever I do not get, and I’m short. I’m coming to, and I spoke to my parents before, so I spoke to each individually.

I’m going to you, mom, you, dad,  and whatever I’m short still, I’m contacting our friends and family members, asking for a personal loan that I did not get enough through the student loans and my parents are not helping me in that I will be going to school. And if it’s a personal loan from friends and family, because you’re not, I will go to school and then I will complete school.

Yeah. And both of them exploded at me and, uh, that’s not fair. You can’t do that, you can’t make me look bad. And I said, well, you’re going to put yourself in that situation. If I’m at a deficit and you help me, it’s not going to go any further. But if it’s one of those, I’m short and you’re not going to help me, it will.

Because I will go to school. Okay. Uh, some of the responses I got were not great. Uh, I thought my dad’s was pretty funny. His response was  Besides being angry with everything, he goes, what about my brass ring? And my response, I’d never heard of that phrase at that point. I said, what do you mean? What’s a brass ring?

You know, you go around the carousel and you work your way around, you grab the ring. And if you get a brass ring, you get a free ride. My response to him is I go, look, you lived your life. You’ve made your choices. I am living mine and I’m making my choices.  If what you choose to do is a hundred percent up to you, but here is what I will do.

If I don’t have the opportunity to go to school, if I’m short. I’m coming to you tomorrow. And if I’m still short, I’m approaching family and friends. If you don’t want me to go to family and friends, that’s your choice. You have to kick in if I’m short. So it was a fight every which way. And, uh, luckily enough, I was able to get enough through student loans where I didn’t need either of my parents help.

And, uh, Every so often I got a little bit from them, but usually it was full loans. I went through school on full, full loans.

Yeah. So, so you heard positive affirmations  that drowned out from a very early age that drowned out the negative is basically what happened because you, you, you alluded to the fact that you heard people  loud and clear when they say, you’re enough, Brett.

You’re enough.

I had some wonderful, wonderful friends parents who were there to support me. So having those people greatly helped, even if it was often or not often at all.  To me,  it sounds sort of weird. Every situation is an example for good or bad. Every situation is an example of something I want to mimic and copy of my life or a great example of something I don’t want to do.

So I was able to  take a step back, I guess you can say emotionally. And make decisions in my life. Where do I want to be? What do I want to do? What am I willing to fight for? And that fight was always for myself and my future because there wasn’t anybody else there.  So having those things, reading again, reading when I read, I always tried to alternate between reading for enjoyment to develop the passion and reading for advancement of learning either biographies or whatever it may be.

Uh, different people doing different things. Yeah. So it was an interesting situation of everything I’ve done was a fight. Every career advice or suggestion was dismissive and go. And I just wasn’t willing to accept that. So  somewhere along the lines was there. I do remember one instance when I was a young kid, I grew up, uh, Windsor, Canada, which is next to Detroit back in the eighties.

And I remember  showing up at a friend’s house. I don’t remember who it was. I wish I did. Uh, I just remember that he was a high up exec at one of the auto. I remember coming in and he was just really upset and I’m playing with my little friend and.  I guess I looked at him and go, what’s wrong? And he looked at me, he goes, never work for somebody else.

It’s like, what? He goes, I was there 20 some years, a high up executive. He goes, I just got fired today. Always be your own boss.  I don’t know who that was. I wish I could remember to thank them, but that was always a drive to me to confirm, never be dependent on somebody else, that whatever I chose. I’ll have success or failure on my own.

I don’t want somebody else to decide that I’m gone tomorrow. Yeah,

that’s awesome. So the measure of a man, the mark of a man we’ve all heard is on the legacy they’re building. And something else fascinating about you is just the way You talk about your family. It’s so easy for us to feel the love, to see it, to experience it.

It’s remarkable. I mean, so let’s start off with, let’s start off with Hindi, with your wife. Tell us about her because, uh, I won’t let the cat out of the bag, but she’s also, Uh, a, uh, and you can, you can get into it and, and tell us what she does. Um, but then just segue right into your kids and just tell us where they’re at in life, what they’re doing.

I, I heard some big news, uh, this morning, so.

Well, it, uh. My wife and I are high school sweethearts. Uh, she 17. We met actually on a trip, vacation one time. And I like to say we’ve been dating since we’ve never broken up. She is by far the light of my life and her and my family have been huge, huge influences on my life.

And part of that was, you know, here’s somebody I truly love, somebody I enjoy spending time with. In fact, my, uh, college graduation and high school graduation party, we’re at their house,  my in laws house. I mean, while we were just dating, But it was one of those where here’s somebody who’s incredible and I wanted to be with them my whole life.

So I always strived to provide and be there enough for her because she’s incredible. She is truly, truly incredible and the love of my life. And uh,  you know, they always say behind every great man, there’s a great woman. I’m not claiming I’m great, but she’s an incredible woman. Oh, that’s awesome. That’s absolutely, absolutely, absolutely.

And tell everybody what, uh, What degree she has and what her profession is. Yep, actually,

she is a dentist. She followed me to dental school, uh, about halfway through she decided she did not like it. Uh, we weren’t even engaged, but we were dating at the time. We talked about you start something, you finish something.

So she graduated dental school. She is a dentist. She’s never practiced. She hated it,  but she completed it. And she’s been in the dental field on and off for years and years. And actually she just took over and is now the executive director of our temple. As of last week, uh, they pursued her and really reached out multiple times.

She has incredible personality organization. Uh, the practice would, my practice would not be where it is without her. She does all the business stuff with it. She’s incredible and they’ve, uh, really pursued her and asked her to be the executive director to help, uh,  guide them for the future. So I’m really excited for her and she’s just going to do incredible with it.

That’s awesome. All right. Now let’s, now let’s talk about the kids.

Kids are incredible. I love my kids and going back to it, coming from a place of  Youth difficulty, I’ll call it. Lack of love. Being there, I remember even as a kid,  you know, parents signed me up for baseball practice. I was riding my bike there.

Games, I was riding my bike there. Anywhere I wanted to go, I had to provide my own transportation. The city buses or whatever it was for me to get, go and do. So  I made it a point to give my kids everything I didn’t have. So All my kids played sports. I really did not care what activity they did. I wanted them to do something, something they’re passionate about, so they have passion through life.

It wasn’t an issue of what it was. It wasn’t for me. It was for them to love something, really have passion through life. Uh, both my boys migrated to ice hockey. That’s probably because I was a team dancer for the Atlanta Thrasher hockey team. They literally grew up  going to the games since they were infants.

Through when the Atlanta Thrashers left. Yeah, so both my boys played ice hockey my oldest at 14 decided He wanted to pursue his dreams and he started applying to prep schools to go play hockey in the Northeast So at 15 years old, he moved out moved into prep school to follow his dream to play ice hockey So he had an incredible opportunity.

He went up to a school called Kimball Union Academy in New Hampshire  They won Uh, he played in the state finals. He was a third goalie on the hockey team behind a kid from Canada. And I think it was, uh, the Netherlands for a high school hockey team. They won the whole, whole thing. And um, he loved it, loved it, but realized, you know what, I’m a really smart kid.

I’m the third goalie in a hockey team for high school behind a kid from Canada and Finland. He goes, I see where this is going. So he chose academics. And uh, He went, uh, school up in New York, and the great news is, uh, last week he just got into medical school, so he’s going to start in the fall, he’s going to start medical school, which is awesome.

My middle kid, Josh, he, uh, followed his brother. He played, uh, soccer, baseball, hockey, a bunch of things, but he just loved hockey, had great, great success with it. He, uh, went and did a tournament up at the number one school in the country called Shaq St. Mary’s. And, uh, after that weekend, they had reached out if they’d come up and try out.

They have, uh.  Thousand kids trying out for the hockey team. You actually have to try out before they release the application. So at first he was, I want to try out, but I really want to tell him, no. I said, well, I’m not going to spend the thousands of thousand dollars to fly you out there, do that, get a hotel, have you try out for you to come back and say, no, if you want to have an honest effort and really try,  then I’ll support you.

If you want to tell them no, then that’s just a waste of time, energy and money. So. You know, he’s 14 years old child. He’s like, well, I really, really want to make the team, but I’m just afraid I won’t. That’s okay. If you follow your dreams and you try out and you don’t make it, that’s okay. But if you have this dream, you have to try.

So he went out there, he had a great, great weekend and he was one of the top, uh, first three kids they called to invite to apply. So they had a thousand people try out for  The application, I think they opened it up, I’m not quite sure, about a couple of hundred people. They took less than 20 kids for that year for hockey.

And his senior year, he was on the top prep team. He played. Uh, they’re the number one team in the country. They beat the number one team in Canada four or six times. They were supposed to win national championship and COVID hit. And uh, two weeks before national championship, it, uh, Shut, shut the world down and it, uh, it killed him because, uh, one of the discussions they had with Monthly with the coach was one on one.

What are your goals for this team? Every single one, the coach told us this every single time,  national championship with this team. He goes, no, no, no, no. What are your personal goals for this team? He goes, my personal goals don’t matter. It’s all about the team. It is national championship with this team.

So when they got two weeks before national championship, when it got shut down, when they were number one, it really,  he, he had a real tough time with it and he’s bounced back, but, uh, he was on an incredible team. His team had, uh, four, four kids get drafted that year, 14 D1 college commits. He had a lot of D3 offers, a lot of junior offers.

And he had, uh, Talking to friends of mine from the hockey days, a couple of the scouts, he had potential for D1 as well, particularly if he showed well at the national championship, but he again chose academics. So he’s been doing a research project up at school for the last three years with strength and balance for seniors.

And he comes back, he goes, you know, my favorite, favorite time of the week is with my old peeps, spending time with them, helping them gain strength, mobility. that he wants to get into physical therapy.  So he’s a senior, so he’s going to take the gap year, intern, uh, learn, and apply to PT school. So he’s really excited about that.

And my daughter always wanted to be a pediatrician. She, uh,  all, all three kids are incredible in their own way. She played a really competitive soccer and We talked about falling with the, like the boys and she goes, I see what they go through. That’s not the life I want. So she played competitive soccer for fun.

And, uh, with that, there’s always the teamwork. I mean, the great thing about sports and team sports is teamwork is beyond you. It’s not just about you with the whole growth of, uh, teamwork, which leads to life. But, uh, She’s over at College of Charleston. She’s a sophomore right now. She’s in the honors program.

She’s invited to try out for a  fellow. The honors program is top 10 percent of the school. The fellow is the top 100 kids in the school and she’s involved with that. She’s involved with  a pilot program for the American Cancer Society work in the hospital with cancer patients. And she’s applying for research position, but she’s doing fabulous in school.

She wants to be a pediatrician. She got her certified nurse’s assistant soon as she graduated high school. And last summer, she spent the whole summer working in a pediatric office as a certified nurse’s assistant. So she set herself up for great success. She’s working hard. All three of them are working very hard, doing what they need to do for success for them in their lives.

That’s awesome. So you broke the generational curse then.  You believe that? I,

it, uh.  It’s one of those, I sort of laugh about it, but I always default back to it and, uh, I chuckle to myself about that. I was too realize, I’m too stupid to realize I wasn’t supposed to be able to do it. I never had, throughout everything, everybody always told me, no, no, no, no.

I sort of take that as a challenge, but, uh,  never come to the fact and understand the fact that I wasn’t supposed to be able to do that, that all I had to do is work harder to succeed. Right. So that allowed me to eliminate the barriers that whatever it is I wanted in life, I could do. I just had to work harder and harder to do it.

So we joke around the house that the harder you work, the luckier you get. Yeah. And you just, if you haven’t gotten there yet, you just keep working. And the funny thing is my son had just gotten to medical school.  Last summer was working at a country club at the beginning of the year as a bartender. He had worked there the year before, they hired a bunch of bartenders so he’s only having  20 hours a week is what they schedule him for.

And he was really upset because he wanted to work more. We told him, don’t worry. They hired a lot of extra people in that it will work its way down to see who fits in, who can hold up and manage. By the end, the last week he worked, he worked 69 hours.  So it’s one of those where he went from not having enough hours to 69 hours.

And I asked him about that and he looked at me confused. He goes, I’m a Silverman. I work hard. That’s just, just what you have to do.  So it’s one where to me, one of the greatest things is seeing them understanding. No one’s given you anything in life.  Uh, they’ve, they’ve grown up pretty privileged. They’ve got to enjoy a lot of great things, but understand that that also comes with hard work.

It’s just not given to you. I think it’s one of the greatest gifts to understand that they see the effort it takes to have success

today. Yeah. Well, I’ll say this. It, it is a blessing to us. Uh, me as a, as a young, young father, a father of a seven, five, three and one, it truly is a blessing just to watch and to listen to all the wisdom.

Uh, and I, and I really mean that just the way you interact with your family, the way you talk about your family, it’s, it’s remarkable. So to sit here and look at the same person who you are today, and to even think back of what life was like growing up for you is just remarkable. So I’m, I’m so glad that you came on, um, for this interview.

Thanks for your transparency. Uh, my pleasure. Um, and I’m gonna end on one question. Uh,  what sitting here right now would you say to the  young Brett Silverman?  The one

thing to Brett Silverman and be to anybody else with self doubt. It’s just know you can do it. It’s one of those where  it sounds sort of weird and, you know, just looking and tearing up about it.

But truthfully, no matter what’s going on, where you’re at, if you decide that you want to do it,  don’t let anybody else, anybody’s influence do it. Just understand and believe in yourself that whoever you are, wherever you are, no matter your circumstances, you You are enough to follow your dreams. And it’s one where looking back, like I said, I’m sort of tearing up with it, but it’s truly,  it is your choice.

People will throw obstacles, they’ll throw excuses and they’ll give everything in your way,  but understand you’re enough and you can do whatever

you want. That’s incredible. So if there’s a one in a million chance, be the one. Absolutely. Be the one. Man, thanks a million. I appreciate you being here. I think this episode, matter of fact, I know this episode is going to.

Hit home for so many people, not only here in America, but I think across the world, um, that are, that are staring at something that might be a pebble or it might be Mount Everest. Uh, my hope, my prayer is that this episode lands in their hands and truly brings the inspiration that, uh, you know, unfortunately you had to go through in your life, but it is your story.

It belongs to you. So thanks again for being here.

Oh, it’s my pleasure. Just remember that, uh, you can do whatever you can dream. That’s awesome.

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